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Please create an account to participate in the Slashdot moderation system. They won't buy them cuz then they'd have zero resale value after the card is no longer powerful enough to mine. Selling used cards to gamers gets at least a few bucks back. I seriously don't want a graphics card that has been abused in a mining rig. Yeah, well gamers figured out real quick that cards run in overdrive for 18months don't last long.. Mining is not the only market for crunching numbers. I don't believe you've thought this through.
There is a finite supply of GPUs that can be made by these multi-billion dollar foundries in any given period. Reducing the cost of cards used by miners no video ports, etc. Reducing the cost of cards that miners want isn't going to increase the supply of cards that gamers want; ultimately they're all coming from the same source of integrated circuits. If the supply of mine. Why in the fuck would they do that? Adding the ports is literally a couple of bucks in parts. Add in the fact that both models would require separate certifications and differntiated aprts and it's just not worth it at all.
This is a basic supply and demand problem. The demand outstrips supply in a radical way. The winners of this are currently Intel with their embedded GPUs. The main problem is that we didn't really have a healthy GPU market before the cryptocurrency fad.
Had there been more than a handful of brands to pick from then not only would they have been cheaper to begin with but the response would have been to try to crank out as many cards as they can.
With the current situation? A higher demand just means that you can abuse your customers more. Create an even larger shortage, raise the prices and look at the consumers gladly pay through the nose if they are lucky enoug.
Only on special ASIC devices. In the last few months, GPU process have actually dropped a fair bit. Harder to make ASIC for, not impossible. It's effectively impossible to make a crypto currency you can't build an ASIC for. The company that has the prototype is the same Chinese company that rules the roost when it comes to bitcoin ASIC mining.
They're experts in the field, and it took them what, a year and then some to get ASIC designed. That's interesting, I had not noticed Bitmain had an Ethereum miner released just a few days ago. In general, ASICs are all over the place now. Monero just got ASICs as well. Publicly that is, I guess these have been running quite a while now in private.
Ethereum has been planning to switch from proof of work to proof of stake for a long time now, so that will drop an.
And if miners ignore them, as they recently did with Monero, it'll be just the "community" with no computational power and with yet another alt-coin no one cares about.
Yes but ethereum is very interesting in that it's not just "a cryptocurrency". It's a whole blockchain platform. You can base your blockchain product in that. Ethereum "coin" can tank and that won't affect you. Ethereum's hash function is designed to use a lot of memory bandwidth, whereas the Bitcoin hash function is primarily just arithmetic.
Antminer apparently thinks Ethereum has reached that point -- which may push it towards adopting proof-of-stake sooner. Prices'll go back down to normal as more ASICs hit the market. There are more cryptocurrencies out there that all those GPUs can be put to work with. It's almost like something happened to bitcoin in the past 5 years that makes it quite viable to use GPUs. Now what was it again? Oh that's right, a x increase in value.
In fact, aren't prices coming back down now that the hype has subsided? Hothardware reports that pricing is now on a downward trend [hothardware. And they provide citations to show that the prices are actually falling, while computerworld simply makes a claim with no evidence Ethereum was designed to be ASIC resistant [stackexchange. So what has changed?
Has there been some breakthrough in ASIC design, driven by cryptocurrency? Ethereum's proof of work is based on directed graphs and apparently it is a memory and bandwidth hog so it works pretty well on a GPU but you can't really just make a single ASIC that can tear through hashes like you can with bitcoin. So you're really talking about designing a custom computer rather than just an ASIC with a simple interface. Honestly, to is not worth it unless you actually have games that are straining you just below your point of comfort.
Looks like it's going to be some while yet before I upgrade my graphics card, which is a shame. I was feeling ready for an upgrade. I have a myself, and gaming on p, I just can't find all that many really any games that go below my point of comfort which is around 60fps without going so far below it that wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to matter.
In general, a good rule of a thumb is that you upgrade ever two-three generations depending on your preferences in games and resolution you play on. The thing that throws many people nowadays off is that last three generations lasted for a much longer time than those before the. Yeah, my was driving p effortlessly back when it was new, and is now driving p effortlessly on my 'has steering wheel' backup PC.
My is struggling on brand new games at p if I leave all settings at max, by which I mean it can drop under 50fps occasionally. The drives my 4 k screen reasonably well, but a would do better. Also, I do medical imaging and loading a full volume into memory and then manipulating it works in 4 GB but would work better in 8. It's handy to have a local machine with a decent card so you don't have to debug on the cluster all the time. Be careful with eBay graphics cards right now - some scammers have figured out you can hack the firmware on a card to spoof the model identifier.
Buy a , replace stickers, fiddle firmware, sell as a - as far as software reports, it is a Still performs like a though, and hope the buyer doesn't realise. Can be done on AMD cards too. So if you get a card that doesn't work, you should be able to reverse the transaction.
It doesn't matter if the seller "allows returns" if the product is bad. You're using eBay wrong. Actually anybody selling off multiple cards that were mined with keep the temps below 70 max, most below What moron posted this article.
Too late for that, ebay et al are flooded with used cards now. Someone trying to offload cards either has to quickly take what they can get or hope for a recovery in crypto.
If there were a smaller market for GPUs, the economy of scale aspect wouldn't be working in anyone's favor. There are still coins you can mine from GPUs. I'm actually intrigued by what the Dogethereum project might do to the market since that's shifting back to GPU.
Gamers, since yields are never perfect, we'll offer the cards to you for cheap if you're okay with the cores that don't work being disabled in hardware. It's still over four times as fast as anything else the other guys can offer for the price. Nvidia at least sees the cryptocurrency thing as a flash in the pan. Miners have demanded a lot of high end GPUs all of a sudden, but they might not express that demand over decades like gamers do.
Not long-term, but if you run a company and smell easy money, you adapt and chase it. That's just good business, if only for being able to survive It's like I related back in the 90s: If you know how to make a 24X CD-ROM drive that may not be reliable above 20x and your competitor can only make a 6x, just release an 8x that can be boosted to 12x.
Chip design isn't easy money. Some people smelled easy money and whipped off some simple ASICs. They probably made back some fraction of a percent of what Nvidia pulls in. If you're a smart business you try to supply some long term, sustainable demand. Nvidia has publicly said that they don't think cryptocurrency minin. I don't think I'm entirely mistaken, just off by a bit. But I think you helped me refine my views. I've been every type of gamer, from ditch to high-end.
I hear a lot more about "70" GPUs being employed for mining than " One had his ASIC miners linked to his brother's under-construction house and paid for something like 30kW of solar gear outright. He made a profit from the start expensive electricity at that level, plus offsetting heating costs.
Why can't they put a hardware lock on GPU's which detects and prevents cryptocurrency mining, and separately sell a card which is solely used for mining? Getting tired of seeing GPU's going for times their original price.